Cliff Ravenscraft: le parrain du podcasting! | E003

Annonce : Vous désirez amener votre entreprise à un autre niveau, vous démarquer et créer un contenu différent et original? Podcast Inc. est le podcast qu'il vous faut. Marco Bernard est l'expert qui a formé le plus grand nombre d'entrepreneurs francophones à démarrer leur propre podcast sur la planète. Il vous enseigne les détails du podcasting en profondeur et partage avec vous les secrets d'autres podcasteurs francophones. Bienvenue sur Podcast Inc. Voici votre hôte, Marco Bernard.

Marco : Salut tout le monde et bienvenue dans cet épisode 003 de Podcast Inc., le seul podcast dédié à l'industrie francophone du podcasting. Que vous soyez en train de penser à vous lancer dans le podcast ou que vous soyez déjà un podcasteur expérimenté, vous y trouverez une foule d'informations et d'inspirations pour amener votre podcast à un autre niveau. Cette semaine, je reçois ce qui, à mon humble opinion, est le parrain du coaching dans le monde du podcast. Il y a évidemment Dave Jackson, qui est un podcasteur et coach d'expérience ayant débuté en 2005, également comme Cliff Ravenscraft. Mais à mon avis, Cliff a su montrer la voie à plusieurs dizaines de milliers de personnes sur comment lancer son podcast.

Parmi ses étudiants, écoutez bien les noms que je vais vous lancer : John Lee Dumas, Pat Flynn, Amy Porterfield, Michael Hyatt, Dan Miller, Michael Stelzner, Chris Brogan. Pour ne nommer que ceux-ci, parce qu'évidemment ces gens-là font partie du top 100 des meilleurs podcasts selon iTunes. Mais il y a au moins une trentaine d'autres collègues qui ont étudié à l'école de podcast de Cliff Ravenscraft et qui font également partie du top 100 des meilleurs podcasts selon iTunes. Vous avez bien entendu : une quarantaine des top podcasteurs selon iTunes ont été formés par mon invité, Cliff Ravenscraft.

Il vient aujourd'hui nous parler de comment tout ça a commencé par un simple podcast sur la série télé Lost. Par la suite, de fil en aiguille, c'est devenu une belle aventure. Il a bâti une entreprise à partir d'un podcast, et par la suite, il a fait un shift dans sa vie professionnelle en novembre 2017 pour changer un peu les produits qu'il avait et l'offre de service qu'il offrait. Il va tout nous raconter ça, vous allez voir, c'est vraiment une belle histoire. Je pense que ça peut inspirer beaucoup de gens qui se demandent encore : est-ce que je devrais me lancer dans le monde du podcast ou pas?

Le podcast de la semaine. Je vous rappelle que c'est mon podcast de la semaine, mais c'est aussi le vôtre, parce que vous pouvez facilement me laisser vos propositions pour le podcast de la semaine. Vous n'avez qu'à le faire au parler, P-A-R-L-E-R, a commercial marcobernard.ca. Cette semaine, j'ai choisi simplement The Cliff Ravenscraft Show. Je ne vais pas vous donner souvent des podcasts en anglais, parce que je veux essayer de promouvoir le plus possible les podcasts en français. Mais comme c'est notre invité du jour, j'ai pensé que je pouvais me permettre de vous proposer le podcast de Cliff Ravenscraft, qui en est à plus de 560 épisodes au moment où on se parle, à raison d'un par semaine.

Faites les calculs, vous allez voir à quel point ça fait longtemps que Cliff est bien en selle dans le monde du podcasting. C'est un hebdomadaire, publié chaque vendredi, avec des épisodes qui varient entre 45 minutes et une heure quinze environ. On y parle d'entrepreneuriat, de mindset d'entrepreneur et, à l'occasion, de podcast encore une fois. Jetez un œil sur The Cliff Ravenscraft Show. Et si vous voulez proposer votre propre podcast, il n'y a aucun problème avec ça : envoyez-le-moi au parler, P-A-R-L-E-R, a commercial marcobernard.ca, et je vais y jeter un œil avec grand plaisir. Qui sait, vous serez peut-être le prochain podcast de la semaine dans un des prochains épisodes de Podcast Inc.

Avant de vous laisser à l'entrevue avec Cliff Ravenscraft, j'ai une petite invitation à vous faire.

Annonce : Vous êtes sûrement un passionné du podcast, n'est-ce pas? Et si vous m'écoutez en ce moment, c'est probablement parce que vous êtes francophone. Le groupe Facebook de Podcast Inc. est l'endroit tout désigné pour discuter podcast et découvrir les dernières tendances sur le podcasting dans la grande francophonie mondiale. L'endroit où les podcasteurs vont s'entraider pour faire avancer leur podcast, que ce soit pour des trucs techniques, de la recherche d'invités ou encore de l'entraide pour faire exploser son auditoire, c'est l'endroit qu'il vous faut. Pour y adhérer, rien de plus simple : vous vous rendez au podcast-inc.biz/groupe et vous mentionnez le mot de passe privilégié Podcast Inc. On se revoit là-bas. Ciao!

Marco : So I'm with Cliff Ravenscraft at Podcast Movement. Hi, Cliff!

Cliff : Marco, it is so awesome to be here. So glad to see you face to face. We've actually connected virtually over Zoom, and I'm glad to see you here today.

Marco : Just wondering, first of all, what went through your mind when you started your podcast back in 2008?

Cliff : 2005.

Marco : 2005.

Cliff : 2005, yeah. What happened was I had already discovered podcasting as a listener and had been really consumed by the fact that I could listen to other people talk about things that I was interested in, rather than talk radio, which basically was all politics or sports, and I have no interest in hearing people talk about either of those things. So to think that I could actually listen to people talk about things that I was passionate about, like technology and faith or just random bits of entertainment, it was awesome. And I discovered other people talking about a TV show that I was passionate about at the time, which was the TV show Lost. There were five different podcasts devoted to this TV show, and I listened to all five of them, which was about five to six hours' worth of content every single week about one TV show.

I was so into this TV show. One day I decided to share a theory that I had about what was going on in the show, the mystery, the story that they were telling. I recorded a three and a half minute audio file on my own computer, and I shared it with one of those podcasters, and they played my voice in their show. Now, this podcaster had 17,000 subscribers around the world, and I heard my voice and I'm like, "Oh my gosh, that is incredible. I can't believe that's my voice, and all those people heard it." In that little audio recording, I mentioned my vlog at the time, what my website address was, and my website went from a couple hundred visitors per month to thousands of visitors per week.

And the guy who did that podcast reached out to me. He goes, "Cliff, I've never had feedback from a listener like this. Have you ever thought about doing your own podcast? You really should. I think people would love to hear from you on a weekly basis." And I'm like, "You think so?" So I actually created my own podcast called the Weekly Lost Podcast. I invited my wife to do it with me, and within three episodes we had 27,000 subscribers around the world.

What was amazing is that within a couple of weeks, we started getting emails from people saying, "Man, Cliff, what you said about your dad and the relationship you have with your dad, or what you said about your experience in the church and your faith journey, that really resonated with me. Could you give me some advice on this?" People were really seeking my wisdom, my advice, and I was exchanging ideas with them, and they're like, "What you have shared with me has benefited me in my life in such a way that I can't even begin to tell you how much it means to me." And I'm like, wow, I wonder what life would be like if I could do this for a living instead.

And doing this wasn't necessarily podcasting. Doing this meant: I wonder what life would be like if I could actually put my thoughts, my feelings and my experiences out into the world, in a way that would cause people to think about their life in a completely different way, that would radically help them become more of who I believe they were created to be. Setting them free from what's holding them back. I wondered if this was ever even possible, and I didn't believe it was at the time. I was an insurance agent full-time. But as soon as I started to share that this is an idea that I have, people were like, "You could totally do that. Here's a way you could do it."

A lot of people who were listening to my podcast said, "Cliff, is there any way you could teach me how to podcast like you're doing? I don't wanna do one about the TV show Lost, but I'd love to create a podcast about this." And I'd just jump on free online calls and teach them for free. I wasn't looking to make money. I was very well paid as an insurance agent. People were like, "Cliff, you should be charging for this. Let me pay you." And I'm like, "Oh, don't worry about it." Then more and more people said, "Cliff, can I hire you to teach me?"

So I started charging. It was only 50 bucks an hour at the time. And they're like, "You need to be charging three times this, five times this." I did a webinar once for $200, and I had 50 people sign up. I couldn't believe that people did that. One of them said, "Cliff, I've actually paid thousands of dollars to attend an entire weekend event, and I got more out of your 45-minute webinar than I got out of any conference I've ever been to. You need to charge a whole lot more money for what you're doing." And I'm like, "Seriously?"

Then all of a sudden, the idea came to me: I could probably leave my day job if I actually taught people how to podcast for a living instead. At least what I was doing to generate income wouldn't be such a distraction, because my day job had nothing to do with what I was really passionate about. So I ended up leaving my day job. After about 18 months, I put in my 90-day notice and said, "I'm leaving the business and I'm gonna go out and start my own business." In January 2008, I did that.

Since January 2008, I have trained more than 30,000 people in this world how to launch a podcast. And if you look in the iTunes directory, more than 40 of the people in the top 100 podcasts are my students. So it's been an incredible journey. The thing is, when I left my career in insurance, I didn't go out on my own so that I could teach people how to podcast. I originally wanted to leave my day job so that I could find a way to make a living entertaining, educating, encouraging and inspiring people. Helping people change their belief system. But I didn't know that fully at the time.

Over time, what I realized is that I had people signing up for my $2,000 Podcasting A to Z course, and some of them didn't have a desire to launch a podcast. They just wanted the ability to ask me questions and talk to me about life and their dreams and their goals. It really started to occur to me when I had people taking my course two, three, four times, and they had no questions about podcasting at all. They were like, "Cliff, what do you think about this? I have this idea." And I started thinking, I wonder if I could actually make a living just by entertaining, educating, encouraging and inspiring people. Just helping people think through things and make decisions.

Here's the deal. I believe that, in anything we want in life, what separates our dream from where we are today is our belief system. It's what we believe. And if you can change your belief system, you can achieve anything you want in life. It's not a lack of resources, it's a lack of resourcefulness. So in September of last year, I made a very bold decision to cut off 100% of my income coming from teaching people how to podcast. I said, "You know what? I'm going to make all of my income from helping people." I went from being the Podcast Answer Man to the Mindset Answer Man. Now, I didn't make that transition overnight. I desired to make it in January 2016.

Marco : Okay.

Cliff : But it took about 18 months for me to slowly figure out how I was going to monetize this side of things. I know people will pay me to teach them how to podcast, but will people pay me to be their mentor and help them have breakthroughs in their business, in their physical fitness, or in the relationships that they have in life? So I started saying, "If you guys wanna hire me for anything other than podcasting, I'm gonna give you one-on-one access to me." And people started hiring me. I'm like, "This is pretty wild."

Then I said, "I wanna create a mastermind group for people who are on the path of creating their own business. Would you be interested? It's $1,000 a month." I now have 18 people who are paying $1,000 a month to be in my mastermind group. Then I started doing live workshops in my own home, where I actually built a training facility, and people are paying $2,000, 14 people at a time, to come and learn the process of building a successful and profitable business. After doing that successfully for several months, I said, "Now's the time. I'm gonna divorce myself from my old brand of Podcast Answer Man, and fully transition into Mindset Answer Man."

The crazy thing is, two years ago, I thought this was impossible. I literally thought it would be impossible for me to do this. But I did the transition, and when I made that cutoff, I wondered how I was going to get paid. I make two to three times more now than I did six months ago.

Marco : And that's why you switched in November 2017 from the Podcast Answer Man podcast to the Cliff Ravenscraft podcast.

Cliff : Yeah. I wanted to completely change everything. I wanted to make sure people knew that I'm not the guy to go to. Marco's the guy to go to if you want answers regarding podcasting. There are so many other people out there who can do that, and that's what their passion is. It was my passion for eight years, but it's not my passion today. Today my passion is something bigger. I have a dream of actually doing what Tony Robbins has done over the last 30 years. I wanna do that for the next 30 years of my life. I have a vision of having thousands of people come to live events where they break free from belief systems that are holding them back.

Marco : So did you change your avatar for your podcast?

Cliff : You know, the interesting thing is my avatar has never changed. My avatar for who wants to create a podcast is: "Have you lived a lifetime as an employee, but you're kind of bored and unfulfilled in your day job? Well, create a podcast. You never know, it might actually open up some opportunities you never knew existed, and you might be able to create a little extra income on the side. And who knows? It could turn into a full-time gig for you, doing work that you absolutely love." So my avatar for podcasting is actually the same avatar that I have today.

The best part of this is I've had 30,000 people launch a podcast, and so many of them started out as a hobby, just like I did. And they're like, "Wow, I wonder what life would be like if I could do this for a living instead." But you know what's holding them back from actually pursuing that? They don't believe it's possible. And guess who can help them with that? That's me. So my avatar is actually the same.

Marco : So right now people can hire you as a personal coach, they can join your mastermind groups, they can come to the sessions you do at home. And you're planning an event next September.

Cliff : Yeah. I have this vision of thousands of people coming to a stadium to hear me talk. Marco, this is funny, because I can't wait until 10 years from now, when I will have an event where 10,000 people came, which blows my mind that I just said those words out loud. But I want you to say, "Cliff, remember this recording, when that freaked you out?" To me, it still seems impossible, except I know that you can achieve anything you want in life. All you have to do is change your belief. It's not a lack of resources. I have the resources to achieve that. The question is, do I believe it? If you don't believe it, you'll never take the steps to get you there.

So how do I get there? You don't just jump in and say, "I'm gonna go reserve the United Center in Chicago or the Predators' stadium in Nashville." What's the first step? The first step was: can I get 14 people to come to a live event in my Next Level Studio? I've done that over and over again. So what's the next step? The Free the Dream Conference is coming up September 7th, 8th and 9th in Franklin, Tennessee, and I'm shooting for 300 people. It's doable, right? I want 300 people to come and actually be set free from the belief systems that are holding them back from living the life of their dreams.

Marco : I have a friend who is attending the Free the Dream Conference. Ling-Yin is coming from France. He's a personal friend of mine.

Cliff : Ling-Yin is an amazing guy. He was part of my podcast mastermind for two years, so he and I go way back. My family and I went to France and got to hang out with him. He showed us around, we had lunch with him. Totally awesome man. And I don't think he'd mind me sharing this story. Ling-Yin says, "Cliff, I want to come to your event, and the only thing I'm trying to decide is: should I buy the standard ticket or the VIP ticket?" And I said, "Ling-Yin, let me tell you something. You should buy the VIP ticket. The question isn't whether there's enough extra value in the VIP ticket to make it worth it. The question is: are you worth the extra investment?"

He had already told me, "Cliff, I already have the finances for the standard ticket. But if I do the VIP, there are some extra things I'm gonna have to do to make it happen." I said, "That's why you must take the VIP. If you do, you're gonna tap into your creativity and ask: what can I do to make this possible, because I must get this." So he said, "Okay, I'm going to do the VIP." And you know what he did? He created a brand-new product that would have never existed had he not done that. It took him about four or five days, and he already had the funds. He could have done it the whole time, but he never chose to, because he hadn't set his sights high enough yet.

This is what mindset can do for people. Sometimes we feel tempted in life to play it small. We go after goals that we feel we can comfortably achieve. But I learned this from Tony Robbins: if you want an extraordinary life, you need to consistently be committed to going after goals that seem beyond possibility, that will stretch you to grow beyond what you think is possible. It's only when you decide that you must do something you don't believe you can do that you actually grow.

For example, Marco, I'm 44 days away from this event, and I've got about 42 tickets sold. So I need to sell another 260 tickets between now and September 7th. There's a part of me that thinks it's absolutely impossible that I'm gonna have 300 people there. I'll be lucky if I break even. But there's an even bigger part of me that knows it's not a lack of resources, it's a lack of resourcefulness. Michael Stelzner is a close personal friend of mine. He does Social Media Marketing World, a 6,000-person event every single year, and he's in my personal mastermind group.

He's already devoted an hour last week to helping me set up Google Analytics, heat maps with Hotjar, and conversion goals. He's a data guy. I'm not, I'm a relationship guy. So he's helping me with the data side, and he says, "Cliff, I will give you hours of my life every week to help you succeed in your goal." I have an email list. It's a relatively small list, under 5,000 people, but it's a highly engaged list. And I've only ever sent out emails once a week. I've never really aggressively tried to sell something to so many people.

With Podcasting A to Z, to be successful financially all these years, I just needed to sell 20 seats at $2,000 apiece six times a year. I could do that in my sleep. One email to my mailing list and I'm sold out. I've never aggressively sent lots and lots of emails. So I went to my friend Ray Edwards. Ray has actually written copy for Tony Robbins. He's an expert copywriter, a close personal friend, and he's in my personal mastermind group. He says, "Cliff, anything I can do to help you, I will do."

So we got on a call just the other day. He says, "Cliff, what are you willing to do to see your dream of 300 people come true?" I said, "I'm willing to do anything, even if that means emailing my list every single day." He goes, "Seriously, are you willing to do that?" I said, "Ray, do you think that's what it'll take?" He says, "Yes, and if you're willing to do it, this is easy. I promise you." And I said, "Okay, I'm willing to do it, but I have no idea what the email should say. What do I say in a daily email that promotes an event and asks people to buy a ticket?"

He goes, "Cliff, here's the problem with the content you've had so far. You've been helping people discover an itch that they have, but you're scratching that itch for them, so the itch is gone." So I'm gonna give you all a secret of what Ray Edwards tells Cliff in private. He says, "Here's the format for your daily emails. You help people understand: here's a problem that you have, and you know you have this problem. Here is exactly what you need to solve this problem. And I'll teach you how to do that at Free the Dream. Buy your ticket right now." See, my format in all my content is: here's the problem you have, here's what you need to do, and then I go on for 20 more minutes on exactly how to do everything.

So people are like, "Well, I don't need to come to the event. He told me everything I need to do." And Ray goes, "Now you've got 47 days. That's 47 emails. You can cover every objection people have. You can cover every benefit of your conference. You can share case studies of people you've worked with. You can share personal stories. You're gonna mix it up each day, and people are going to come."

For example, one of the objections is: "Cliff, I've been listening to your podcast, and you've already told me everything I need to do." Well, here's an email: you're right, I have given you the step-by-step process, but let me ask you this. Have you taken action on it? Remember a couple of weeks ago, I gave you the 11-step formula for how to build your successful business, and how to build your inventory of the value you bring to the world? Did you send out the six questions to 20 people? Did you actually make that document I told you to make? No, you didn't. Why? Because you listened to me in the car or at the gym, you said you were going to do it, and then you got distracted by your daily life.

But if you come to Free the Dream, you're gonna be immersed, away from all the distractions. We're gonna actually do this together. Not only are you gonna do it, but you're gonna be surrounded by other people who are doing the work as well. So yes, you've heard me talk about what you need to do and how to do it, but you're actually going to do it there, where at home you won't, because you're too distracted.

Marco : And who is this Free the Dream Conference for?

Cliff : When it comes to marketing a conference or any product, Marco, you know you have to choose a target audience and speak their language. So if you go to freethedream.live, it's very clearly marketed to people who are on a self-employed lifestyle journey. It's for people who have lived a lifetime as an employee and would love to leave their day job and create their own business. Or maybe they've already started to generate a little bit of income, but not nearly enough to break free from the day job. Or they've already left the day job and are achieving some success, but they seem to be hitting limits that keep them from achieving what they know they need to achieve financially.

If you go to the sales page, that's what it says it's for, and it certainly is going to be beneficial for all those people. But I have people who say, "Cliff, the reason I'm not attending your event is because, quite frankly, I don't have a business, and I don't have a desire to create a business." And I'm like, "Well, do you have a dream in life, something you've been wanting to do for years but haven't been able to do?" Maybe you've been wanting to get fit, you've tried, you made progress for a couple of months, and then it all came back. Do you wanna know why? It's because of your belief system.

I believe that the only thing that separates you from your dream and you actually living it is your belief system about who you are and what you're able to achieve in this world. So even if you have no business and no desire to create one, if you have any dream you haven't been able to achieve, it's your belief system. Free the Dream is really a belief system conference, helping you understand why you believe what you believe. We're gonna help you discover your top three limiting beliefs, and walk you through the process of completely eliminating them and replacing them with empowering beliefs that will help you get what you want most out of life.

If you can do those three things at this event, which you will, you'll be able to apply that to every other area of your life afterwards. September 7th, 8th and 9th is going to be a date you will remember. So who's it for, Marco? The sales page will tell you it's for people who are on the self-employed business journey, and if you have a business or want to build one, there's no question you're gonna benefit from this. But this is for anybody who has a dream, who wants to achieve something in life but keeps hitting some kind of ceiling that's holding them back from living the life they want.

Marco : All right, we'll put in the show notes the exact URL where people can go to attend the Free the Dream Conference. Thanks very much, Cliff, for your time, and best of luck for this first event.

Cliff : Thank you so much, Marco. It is an honor to know you, and I appreciate you helping me get the word out. Is that good?

Marco : Je ne sais pas si vous avez remarqué, à la toute fin de l'entrevue, Cliff me demande : « Is that good? » Cliff Ravenscraft vient de nous donner à peu près 20, 25 minutes de son temps. Il a été hyper généreux pour nous expliquer comment son histoire a démarré, comment il a démarré ses podcasts, comment il en a fait une business par la suite et comment il a fait un shift majeur dans sa carrière professionnelle en novembre 2017. Il est passé de Podcast Answer Man à Mindset Answer Man.

Il nous a expliqué ça dans une foule bruyante, directement dans l'aire où il y avait tous les fournisseurs à Podcast Movement. Il y avait plein de gens qui passaient autour de moi et qui me regardaient en se demandant si j'étais en train d'interviewer Cliff Ravenscraft. Petite anecdote : quelqu'un m'a demandé le lendemain si c'était Cliff qui m'interviewait ou si c'était moi qui interviewais Cliff, parce qu'il nous avait vus la veille, assis un petit peu en retrait, en train de réaliser une entrevue.

Et à la toute fin, il vient quand même me demander si l'entrevue était bonne. Je suis complètement sur le derrière de penser qu'un gars de cette qualité-là, qui a plus de 3 000 épisodes derrière la cravate, qui a formé plus de 30 000 personnes à démarrer leur propre podcast, dont 40 du top 100 d'iTunes, vient quand même me demander si l'entrevue était bonne, si ça faisait mon affaire. Ça prouve toute l'humilité, toute l'authenticité de cet homme-là, et à quel point il est quelqu'un de vraiment incroyable à avoir dans son réseau. Et ça prouve également que son podcast est un show que vous devez absolument avoir dans votre liste de podcasts, peu importe à quel endroit vous les écoutez.

Mais au-delà de ça, il y a son événement qu'il organise en septembre prochain, qui s'appelle Free the Dream. C'est disponible au freethedream.live, L-I-V-E. J'ai vu les conférenciers qu'il y a sur place, et si vous allez sur son podcast, il en parle régulièrement. Vous allez vous rendre compte de la qualité des conférenciers et à quel point ça va devenir un point tournant pour tous les gens qui vont se pointer à cet événement-là. De mon côté, j'avais déjà quelque chose de prévu cette fin de semaine-là depuis la fin de l'hiver dernier. Sinon, c'est sûr et certain que je me serais laissé tenter d'aller voir cet événement-là directement au Tennessee.

Il y a d'ailleurs un ami que j'ai reçu sur L'Accélérateur l'été dernier, à l'épisode 7 si ma mémoire est fidèle, Ling-Yin, qui part de Paris pour se rendre directement à cet événement-là. Donc ça vaut vraiment la peine. Ça va être un événement assez restreint, avec grosso modo entre 200 et 300 personnes selon ce que Cliff m'a dit. Ça veut dire que si vous vous y rendez, vous allez avoir vraiment accès aux conférenciers directement. Ils vont avoir le temps de discuter avec vous, et c'est particulièrement intéressant quand on va à des conférences où il y a des gens de cette qualité-là sur scène : on peut créer des liens avec eux pour éventuellement poursuivre la relation plus tard, sur les médias sociaux, par courriel ou peu importe.

Je vous recommande fortement d'aller jeter un œil à freethedream.live, et également à cliffravenscraft.com, son site internet. Vous allez y trouver The Cliff Ravenscraft Show, sinon directement sur iTunes. Comme d'habitude, les liens sont dans les notes de l'épisode, alors ne vous gênez pas pour aller jeter un œil de ce côté-là.

La semaine prochaine, on parle d'un outil francophone pour vous aider à lancer votre propre podcast. Si vous désirez amorcer votre aventure, et peut-être qu'elle devienne comme celle de Cliff, c'est le meilleur moment. Il y a plein de raisons, mais entre autres, vous avez entendu au dernier épisode que Google était de la partie pour augmenter de façon substantielle les auditeurs de podcasts à travers le monde. On va parler de ça, de quelques autres raisons pour lesquelles vous devriez vous lancer dans le monde du podcast, et de l'outil qui sera là pour vous aider. Ne manquez pas l'épisode de la semaine prochaine. D'ici là, osez porter votre message aux oreilles de tous et commencez à changer le monde, un auditeur à la fois. Ciao tout le monde, on se reparle la semaine prochaine.